Hippocrates-father of medicine said patients lie - NO defecate!

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Hippocrates-father of medicine said patients lie - NO defecate!

Postby GeeWhiz » Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:01 pm

124 Newspapers carried this story today like it was news.
Patients Lie To Their Doctors


I'm sure the witch doctors said the same thing thousands of years before Hippocrates.

It creates at least 3 HUGE problems.

1. The doctor is not informed and therefore gives you the wrong treatment. Such as
Yes doctor I work out at the gym an hour a day 3 times a week and I never eat anything with cholesterol or salt!


Your doctor takes your word for it and prescribes you a bunch of drugs you would not need if you just did a quarter of the good lifestyle methods you told your doctor you always do. It costs you a TON OF MONEY!!! A number of those drugs are broken down by your liver which over time like with any drug addict tends to break down itself because of them.

But not to worry you can just get a liver transplant and a ton of anti-rejection drugs to allow you to keep taking medication you might not really need if your doctor had the real info from you and had the chance to kick your A55 into doing some of those healthy things that you have always told him you do already.

2. You are ashamed to tell your regular doc about a drug a specialist has put you on. Your doctor cannot be blamed when he gives you a drug that has a bad interaction with it. Thousands of people die every year because of dosage and interaction problems because your did not tell your doc all the OTC, prescription, and street drugs you are taking (and the dosages). see http://www.fda.gov/cder/consumerinfo/dr ... ctions.htm

3. Doctors will often decide when you are lying. Some times they cannot make you tell the truth (such as just how many smokes you have a day... major risk factor for blood clots with many birth control methods.).

A great many Doctors also have a nasty habit sometimes of AUTOMATICALLY assuming you are lying. There is a old saying among doctors. If a patient admits to drinking a certain amount of alcohol a day... AUTOMATICALLY triple it. How can you get the correct treatment if you lie to your doctor AND your doctor assumes you lie... but he may not guess correctly about what you are lying about?

You need to trust your doctor and make damn sure he trusts you... or your treatment will be based upon a LIE and it could kill you. :shock:
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Hippocrates-The Father of Medicine

Postby dlcnurse » Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:42 am

Hippocrates lived 400 years before the birth of Christ. During his time, people were very superstitious. They believed there were four fluids in the body which matched four elements; earth, air, fire and water. They would carry their sick to the Gods for healing.

Hippocrates believed that the human body could heal itself and could return itself to good health. He believed in the natural healing process of rest, a good diet, and advocated exercise, and fresh air.

He is known as the Father of Medicine because many of the things he discovered are still practiced today. He taught that diseases came from natural causes and he would observe patients and recorded their symptoms and the way their illnesses developed. Much the same way medicine is practiced today.

Just as in the times of Hippocrates, as it is today, communication was the important key factor in providing optimal treatment regimens.

There are many barriers that effect the physician-patient relationship in communications:
1) Patients feel they are wasting the doctor's valuable time.

2) Omit details of their history which they feel is unimportant.

3) Are embarrassed to mention things that they think will place them in an unfavorable light.

4) Don't understand all of the medical terminology the doctor uses and is embarrassed to ask.

5) Are nervous, hesitant, and can't think when the doctor asks questions.

6) May feel the doctor has not really listened and therefore does not have all the information needed to make good treatment options.

7) Doesn't think the information is relevant to why they are seeing the doctor in the first place.

8) The doctor has resigned himself and really doesn't care about his patients nor their outcomes.. IF YOU ARE BEING TREATED BY A PHYSICIAN THAT TRULY DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE OUTCOME OF HIS PATIENTS--SEEK A NEW PHYSICIAN IMMEDIATELY!

9)The doctor doesn't not allow you sufficient time to ask, answer, or voice your opinions in regards to your own healthcare.

Confidentiality provides the foundation for the physician-patient relationship. In order to make accurate diagnoses and to provide you with optimal treatment regimens, honesty is the key. This is a two way street here, both the physician and the patient have a part in it.

This may require you to discuss some sensitive, embarrassing, and sometimes hurtful information that you don't want anyone to know. Be assured that the doctor will not think less of you, nor treat you any differently. Most physicians are there to help you, not hurt you.
If you are seeing a doctor that doesn't take the time to listen to you, find another physician that will. You have the power to control the medical care that you receive.

Here are some helpful tips to help you convey the necessary information without feelings of embarrassment, inadequacy, shame, or just forgetfulness because you are nervous about seeing the doctor.

1) Make a list that includes smoking, alcohol use, illicit drug use, medications, health history such as heart disease, hypertension, thyroid problems, kidney problems, depression etc.., list of any surgeries you may have had, complications from any surgeries, allergies, and also include a family history if you know it of your family members such as mother, father, brothers, and sisters.
Take the list with you to the doctors office and have them copy it. This will give all the necessary information without you having to answer alot of questions, and it gives the doctor a much better idea of how to treat you for the reasons you are seeing him.

2) Take all of your medications with you when going to see the doctor. Including any over the counter, and herbal medications you may take. This will avoid any possible interactions with any other medication that doctor may prescribe.

3) When seeing a specialist for any reason, ask your family doctor to send a copy of your history and physical to the specialist. This will give the new doctor all the information in regards to any health issues you may have and also helps in aiding the doctor in his decision making in regards to treatment options he may determine you need.

These hints will help you in ensuring that all relevant information is conveyed to the physician of your choice, and allow you peace of mind that you won't have to try to recall all of this information when you are already nervous, scared, or rushing to fit the appointment in with your busy schedule.

The relationship between you and your physician holds considerable power. Working together, the potential exists to pursue all treatment options that can improve your quality of life and health status.

The truth sometimes can hurt as Gee Whiz points out in the examples posted above, (with much zeal, and imagination I might add), Only you have the power to change the relationship between you and your doctor. Don't be afraid to confide in your doctor regardless of what it is. And don't be afraid to change doctors if the doctor you are seeing doesn't take an interest in you as an individual, doesn't respect your opinions, doesn't answer questions, etc.

A quote I once read by Demosthenes states "Nothing is easier than self-deceit, For what each man wishes, that he also believes to be true."

Unless you are purposefully trying to destroy yourself, be truthful with yourself and be sure that your doctor is truthful and honest with you. You will be thankful in the end that you did. You only have one life to live, so live it to its fullest potential and enjoy it.
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Personal experience

Postby jimithy » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:07 pm

Patients who lie can create harm to other patients. Especially in many managed care systems that do not let a patient develop a relationship with a specific doctor. Some doctors who do not know a patient and have had a history of anonymous patients lying to them could easily stop trusting such patients.

My Mom died too soon because of a very similar assumption. Her blood tests were showing continual liver damage. She did not drink alcohol but her doctors would not believe her. I took her from one specialist to another for ten years while they ran a wide range of tests and made no diagnosis. My mother and I saw a lot of doctors and not one believed us.

One evening I got a call from my niece who lived with her. Suddenly my Mom had turned bright yellow. We rushed her to the
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